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CINEVIA Trouble with 7 Single-8 cameras

  • Posted by: muddy orihara
  • August 28, 2006 3:48 AM
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I tried Cinevia with 8 single-8 cameras.


Almost all of cameras made miner trouble, and 2 cameras made serious trouble.


[FUJICA]

ZC1000



Z800

ZX550(1st, 2nd)


ZM800

 

AX100

 

[ELMO]
8S-600



8S-40T


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Minor Trouble;
When Cinevia are loaded into a camera, it makes louder noise than R25N loaded.


Serious Trouble;

ZM800 was suddenly stopped while shooting.

ZX550 is more serious.

It is possible to shoot the first cut after loading a CINEVIA magazine,
ZX550 couldn't move to shoot the second cut.

To take the second cut, I must take out the CINEVIA magazine, shutter running without film,
and loading again the magazine.

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I don't know why these troubles happened.

After I wrote articles about this trouble on Japanese side,
Some 8mm film makers told their case, film jamming,  louder noise, sudden stop...


If you know the reason and  solution, please  tell me.

I guess the stress of film-running(thicker, harder film)  caused the louder noise...

 

Muddy Orihara 

Comments:8

Ignacio Benedeti September 16, 2006 7:57 PM

I have the same troubles with CineVia using several ZC1000. The reason is the next: the cartridge come with 12 mts of Velvia film. The triacetate stock is fatter than poliester. With only 11 meters cartridges works well. The formerly Agfachrome single 8 cartridges, sold in Spain in the 60´s, comes with only 11 mts of triacetate stock. I have write to Tak about this.

Muddy Orihara September 17, 2006 1:57 AM

Thank you for your comment.
As you mensioned, this film is thicker than PET. And fatter than Kodachrome.
So I guess that it doesn't run well, too.

By the way, Agfachrome single-8 is hardly known in Japan. Do you know about the film?

Ignacio Benedeti September 24, 2006 8:53 PM

Agfachrome was sold in Spain with single 8 cartridges in 1966, with 11.25 mts loads of triacetate film. Later, this year, Agfa moved to super 8 cartridges. Agfachrome film was used for my father. Poor quality film. Most of my fathers Agfachrome films is now fading to purple! Kodachrome is the best to resist colour fading, second place for Fujicolor and third place for Fujichrome. About, the Fujichrome N, we need to wait some decades more to check. Agfachrome was a lot cheaper than Kodachrome. Other stock sold in Spain in the past in super 8 cartridges were: Perutzchrome, 3Mcolor (super 8 with poliester stock!!!!), and Sakurachrome. Nowdays, only Kodak is selling film here. I buy all my single 8 film from Retro Enterprise. The owner, Tak Kohyama, is a very serious man and a friend.

ignacio benedeti September 25, 2006 12:21 AM

I have opened just now the parcel with the processed Cinevia single 8 film, taken with two ZC1000s using the next lenses: Fujinon 5,5, Angenieux 6-90 and Pextax 6 mm. I can write this: Cinevia Velvia film IS THE BEST THING EVER MADE FOR SINGLE 8 FORMAT. All my filming in Disneyland Paris with this stock, is grainless, with strong saturated colours. This is an orgasm for the eyes. With the demise of Kodachrome in super 8, and Cinevia available in single 8, with the ZC1000, as a proffesional, I can tell "CINEVIA IS THE FILM STOCK FOR THIS CENTURY". Congratulations to Fuji to do this stock available.

Jörg Polzfuß December 11, 2006 10:58 PM

So far I've only tested a single cartridge in my P2 and P2 Zoom. The results have been awesome, especially the shots I've done with the P2 and an Isco-1.5x-anamorphot...
...but:
a) IMHO the two holes in the label for the two axes aren't big enough. And since the label was misplaced by a millimetre or two, the label would have been glued to one of the axes and probably would have blocked the other one... . This was easy to fix with the front of a scissor, but shouldn't have happened. (I don't know if the other "camera is too weak to transport the Cinevia"-problems could be avoided by enlarging the label-holes, too!)
b) At the end of the film the perforation has been cut away. (This "exposed"-cut can be found on the Fujichrome, too.) Unfortunately the Cinevia got stuck on the last centimetres when the cut was somewhere between reel and film-gate.

iGNACIO BENEDETI December 29, 2006 3:03 AM

For my first class results with single 8 CINEVIA I overexpose the takes 2/3 of stop. Its easy to do this. Velvia film is oficially 50 ISA but really is 40 or 35 ISO. You need overexpose a little to get good results, except if you are filming flowers. But you can do this with your little P2 zoom. Additionally, the P2 zoom has a very poor quality lens.

Ric August 31, 2008 8:50 AM

Cinevia film is great, but it tends to stick - is there any way round this? lube the cassettes with silicone?

whatever is causing the jam - Cinevia please fix it: these cameras are so good :)

R

Erkan Umut November 8, 2009 5:29 PM

The probably cause could be:
The pressure plate tension was adjusted to Polyester Fujichrome stock which is thin and slippery, as well as the pull-down claw.

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